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Eavesdropping: Danny and Gallant

“There’s little ego on the show, not to be confused with lack of opinion, because both O’Neil and Gallant are willing to make theirs known.”

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Eavesdropping Brandon Contes

11 months ago, 710 ESPN Seattle launched a new morning show with Danny O’Neil and Paul Gallant. It was a unique situation considering the preceding hosts are popular, successful, and remain with the station, but navigating a global pandemic, unrest in the city, and four months of cancelled sports surely forced the new duo to find their own style and connect with the audience quickly.

When I tuned into Danny and Gallant at the start of the month, the show had a familiar sound. The similarities between 710’s current morning show and its previous one, hosted by Mike Salk and Brock Huard, are plenty. Among those, were some recurring segments over shabby music beds.

This is becoming a common trend in my sports radio listening outside New York and I really want to see evidence of a desire for segments to be done over music beds sounding like a ‘90s video game. At times, I lose the hosts’ theme and have recalls of Charles Barkley Shut Up And Jam, an underrated classic by Sega Genesis.

O’Neil plays point guard for the duo, seamlessly driving the show in and out of topics. Both hosts are willing to laugh at themselves through plenty of lighthearted fun. Gallant will toss in a unique voice every now and then, O’Neil chuckles with the audience at his jokes and self-belittled ability to handle the power that comes with having a flashlight.

There’s little ego on the show, not to be confused with lack of opinion, because both O’Neil and Gallant are willing to make theirs known. Gallant a little more loudly, with enough passion and energy to keep you awake at 7am. I’m going to estimate a near 20-year age gap between the younger Gallant and veteran O’Neil, a generational difference which is good for referencing unique life experiences.

Strong opens were a frequent occurrence during my month of listening to Danny and Gallant. There was no need to exchange pleasantries or discuss how to start the show after they’re already on-air – they jumped right into content. If there was an obvious open, they took it, but they also demonstrated an ability to find topics of substance, even if it meant grabbing audio from outside personalities such as Emmanuel Acho, or my personal favorite Boomer Esiason.

When O’Neil and Gallant set the opening segment from early August by discussing perceptions of New York, my mind quickly raced as I scrambled to build a case for defending my city. But then the Seattle radio hosts offered sound from WFAN’s Esiason, which I somehow missed the week prior and admittedly cringed as I heard him attempt to play the role of psychologist and diagnose Jamal Adams.

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Danny and Gallant responded with passion and some outrage as they called out Esiason’s ignorance in what was a fantastic segment of radio to listen to. Specific details of Esiason’s content aside, the framework of the conversation by Danny and Gallant featured examples, emotion and relatable scenarios for the audience.

The hosts will offer creative segments such as “laying a discussion to rest,” as they end talk of Jadeveon Clowney’s potential return to the Seahawks, doing so with the help of Billy Crystal’s “mostly dead” line from Princess Bride. Or Gallant’s created discussion of “popular excuses” that were made for the Seahawks in the last year, a topic built well for someone who can offer an unbiased opinion as a newcomer to the market.

But the show is also very regimented, which can lead to minimal spontaneity. I touted their opens, but on the days I listened, those never lasted more than 10 minutes. If a show has a strong opening thought or conversation, I don’t want to stare at the clock knowing I only have 10 minutes before it’s over.

At 7:10 they’re jumping from what might be a great discussion, into “What to Watch For,” followed by an interview with John Clayton. What if the initial conversation is just getting started? Now it’s buried for a minimum of two more segments. I enjoy discussions and topics that build. The best opinions might take time to develop and formulate, but over regimenting the show negates some of that development.

I’ll give a ton of credit to the station’s sales team though, “What to Watch For”, “Blue 42”, “Around the NFL”, John Clayton’s interview, and “Flag On The Play” are daily segments with sponsors. If that’s going to allow for more content and less in-show commercials, then I’m on board.

Danny and Gallant also prove there’s an art to agreeing. Too often with co-hosts, one personality feels the need to take a countering view even if it isn’t genuine. The desire for forced debate was thankfully missing from Danny and Gallant, who demonstrated an ability to agree on a topic, but still formulate interesting conversation around it.

The idea of Antonio Brown being a potential fit with the Seahawks needs to be discussed by a Seattle sports radio show. If it’s brought up in the pre-show meeting and both hosts agree “we don’t think he makes sense with the Seahawks,” there should be no obligation of turning it into a forced debate. Instead, the show plucked audio of Emmanuel Acho’s assertion that the Seahawks owe it to Russell Wilson to add the polarizing wide receiver. Danny and Gallant used the audio to jumpstart an interesting rebuttal, and further localize Acho’s comments by comparing false misconceptions that surround the Seahawks to misconceptions that define their city.

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On the East Coast, the sports scene is quiet before 10am, but West Coast morning shows receive new content to discuss. The middle of O’Neil and Gallant’s morning show is noon on the East Coast, fresh stories have already developed and breaking news is always a possibility.

Having the general manager of a local team break that news isn’t common, but it happened this past month on Danny and Gallant. With Seattle Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto on the show, the hosts asked about a trade that was being reported on social media. Instead of declining comment, he surprisingly confirmed the transaction. It’s a small note, but Dipoto’s willingness to be transparent about the trade depicts the trust and positive relationship he has with 710 ESPN Seattle and their morning show.

Additionally, there was little focus on the NBA’s plan to resume the postseason, which was announced during their show and was one of the biggest national sports stories of the month. But maybe that would have been different if Seattle didn’t have the Supersonics sadly ripped away from them more than a decade ago.

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To close this story, I’d like to compliment the way Danny and Gallant close their show. The “Flag On The Play” segment offers an opportunity to reflect, project and rant. The show lacks many communal contributions in terms of calls, texts or tweets, but this segment guaranteed the inclusion of multiple voices with Lydia Cruz and producer Jessamyn McIntyre. In the spirit of the show, I’ll raise a flag to their sendoff of Cruz from Aug. 21. After Cruz’s seemingly unexpected departure, the farewell from O’Neil, Gallant, McIntyre and others at ESPN Seattle was very classy.

Almost one year in the books for Danny and Gallant, and it sounds like they’re off to a good start. 

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Sports Are Learning To Meet Gen Z Where They Are

“The crux of the issue is that Gen Z is the first generation of kids who are truly free to find their “thing” in a way previous generations never could thanks to modern connectivity.”

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Should sports radio be concerned about where audiences will come from in the future? It is an interesting question that we talk about here a lot. It is also something that the New York Times tackled indirectly last week.

A column from Joe Drape and Ken Belson declared this generation of kids “The eSports Generation” and went on to explain just how disconnected from traditional sports they really are.

An alarmist might ask if this is the beginning of the end of traditional sports leagues. Someone a little more level-headed, like Joe Ovies, may want to dive a little deeper to see what leagues are learning and how they are adapting.

Joe hosts The OG in afternoon drive at 99.9 The Fan in Raleigh. He is always interested in how changes in technology and consumption patterns effect sports and his audience. I saw him tweeting about the New York Times piece last week and asked if he would want to write a little something for us.

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Demetri Ravanos


“Meet your audience where they are.”

How many times have you heard that phrase in the last 5 years from a consultant, manager, or any number of Barrett Media posts as content consumption trends continue to spread out over a variety of platforms? Turns out the same applies for pro sports leagues, who are fearful that an entire generation of fans will be lost and their traditional business model will crater as a result.

The New York Times recently highlighted what sports marketers are doing to win over Generation Z, which typically applies to kids born from 1997 to 2012. The Times hits the usual beats.

There’s a reference to Tyler “Ninja” Blevins, an esports star who is also a traditional sports fan, who the NFL hoped would be a Pied Piper for youth fandom. There are examples of MLB, famously stingy when it came to fans using their content on social media, now working with TikTok influencers. And of course, highlighting the NBA’s wide ranging approach to online engagement and their franchise run NBA 2K esports league. Most of the article was based on a recent SSRS/Luker on Trends report, which conducts regular surveys about sports and society.

The issue for pro sports leagues isn’t that Gen Z kids aren’t “passionate” enough about sports. It’s that Gen Z is more likely to admit they simply don’t like sports.

“Only 23 percent of Generation Z said they were passionate sports fans, compared with the 42 percent of millennials (defined as 26 to 41), 33 percent of Generation X (42 to 57) and 31 percent of baby boomers (57 to 76) who identified themselves as passionate. More striking was that 27 percent of Gen Zers said they disliked sports altogether, compared with just 7 percent of millennials, 5 percent of Gen Xers and 6 percent of boomers.”

The new york times, Jan. 12, 2022

Also factoring into the waning interest in sports from Gen Z is the dramatic decline of youth sports participation. There is a larger discussion to be had about the role of parents and specialization in this decline, but we can address that topic another day. As it relates to pro sports leagues today, the drop in youth participation absolutely impacts the level of interest in kids who might want to watch the best in the world of sports do their thing.

“Participation in youth sports was declining even before Covid-19: In 2018, only 38 percent of children ages 6 to 12 played team sports on a regular basis, down from 45 percent in 2008, according to the Sports & Fitness Industry Association.

In June 2020, the pandemic’s early days, 19 percent of parents with kids in youth sports said their child was not interested in playing sports, according to a survey conducted by The Aspen Institute’s Sports and Society Program. By September 2021, that figure was 28 percent.

On average, children play less than three years in a sport and quit by age 11, according to the survey. Why? Mostly, because it is not fun anymore.”

the New york times, Dec. 19th 2021

The crux of the issue is that Gen Z is the first generation of kids who are truly free to find their “thing” in a way previous generations never could thanks to modern connectivity. Meeting up on the playground or at a friend’s backyard for a pickup game has been replaced with meeting your friends on a Discord server and deciding if you’re going to play Halo or Call or Duty after school.

If you have kids in the age range that I do, none of this should be a surprise. You see it every day and don’t even think twice about it. But if you do stop and think about how frictionless it has become to be online all day with your friends, you start to realize the impact of never being bored or getting dragged to things by your parent because there were no other options.

Watching sports and going to sporting events isn’t frictionless. It’s a pain in the ass. Older generations deal with it because we don’t know any better, it’s just what we do. But Gen Z isn’t about to stop what they’re doing just to watch a game. Why would they? They can get the highlights later.

Gen Z is about dropping in and out of entertainment options whenever they feel like it. In other words, why would they sit around waiting for their favorite song to be played on the radio when they can easily pull it up on YouTube or Spotify.

Pro sports leagues can create all the social content and tout billions of views. They can tout engagement with Gen Z because a bunch of kids bought NFL related skins in Fortnite.

Awareness of their leagues isn’t the problem. It’s getting Gen Z to care enough to watch the game. Take my kids, who are fully aware of what’s going on in the world of sports, but getting them to sit down and actually watch the game is torture. Throw in the increasing cost to attend sporting events, I’ve started leaving them at home because it’s a waste of money given my 13-year-old is just gonna play Clash Royale in that $75 seat.

To be clear — I’m OK with my kids just not being into sports. It’s not like I didn’t try. It’s simply understanding we’ve transitioned to a world of niche communities. You can still thrive within those niche communities. Just look at sports talk radio as an example, where you’re not winning with cume, but with passion around sports. That’s what great sports talk radio stations sell. Pro sports leagues will be fine doing the same.

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How Soon Is Too Soon To Lean Into The NFL Draft?

“I think there will be even more hype and content leading up to Draft than last year.”

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For sports talk hosts, nothing generates content quite like the NFL Playoffs. The country’s most popular sport inches closer each week to crowning a champion. Each game produces an unlikely hero, a questionable call or some other storyline that can generate an entire show’s worth of conversation. Around the country, most stations talking about football are talking about the playoffs.

There is a select group of markets though where it makes sense for the football conversation to be driven by something else. Sure, the playoffs are on the radar, but if you are in a market with a top five draft pick, it makes sense that prospects and potential trades will draw significant interest.

Houston is not completely ignoring the playoffs. Landry Locker, co-host of In The Loop on Sports Radio 610 says that just like everywhere else in the country, NFL football is the headliner.

“We cover the NFL Playoffs top-to-bottom whether the Texans are in or not,” he told me. “However, just like all of our content we try to localize it as much as possible and try to respect the fact that we are a local show. Why do Houstonians care about what happened in each Wild Card game? What are the local ties?”

And what about the NFL Draft? The Texans have the third pick. That means there are plenty of discussions worth having on air, especially with the local team being so quarterback-needy.

I asked Landry if the lack of a Trevor Lawrence or Joe Burrow has dulled interest in the draft for Texans fans compared to what it could have been.

“I think there will be even more hype and content leading up to Draft than last year. While this QB class isn’t as good as last year’s the speculation about Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and Deshaun Watson make up for that void because if any of those three are traded it will likely be before the Draft. The NFL offseason has become the most active in sports and this year’s will be as wild as ever, especially here in Houston with the Watson drama.”

Ryan Green, better known to Jacksonville sports fans as Hacker on 1010XL, is in a familiar position. Just last year, he and his colleagues on XL Primetime were talking about the Jaguars welcoming a new coach to town and holding the first pick in the draft. By the time the NFL Draft gets here in April, the Jaguars will be holding the first pick as they welcome a new coach to town. So how does Hacker ensure that this year’s conversations don’t sound like 2021’s conversations on air?

“We will discuss what went wrong last year and how not to duplicate that this time around,” he said. “Why did last year fail? What could have been done differently and what needs to be different this time around. Also the history of back-to-back No. 1 picks for teams isn’t good, how can the Jaguars succeed when so many others have failed.”

Having the first pick of draft is great when you have the chance to grab the quarterback that can change your franchise’s fortunes. But the Jaguars experienced that last year and they have the top pick again.

Hacker said it perfectly. Last year was a failure for the Jaguars. Does that make his listeners a little less enthusiastic this time around?

Yes, he says. Last year was such a let down that there is a whole series of conversations fans want to have before they are ready to start breaking down prospects.

“Jaguar fans want the coaching and gm hires to be correct or the picks won’t matter anyway. Coaching matters and the Jaguar fans have had to endure a lot of bad coaching over the past decade. They want the right coach, then they will focus on the top pick”

Draft talk is fun. As Brandon Kravitz pointed out in his column earlier this week, it is a chance for fans of bad teams to feel real hope. Hope is the word right now in Houston too.

Locker says that there are so many factors that make this offseason one that Texans fans have been waiting three years for. His plan is to devote as much time to draft talk as possible.

“Obviously that’s fluid depending on what happens with the Stros and Rockets,” he says, “but this is going to be the wildest offseason in Texans franchise history. This will be the first time the Texans have had a first round selection in three drafts and with the possibility of getting even more compensation for Watson and a new coach it’s going to be nuts around here.”

It seems weird to type this, but Jacksonvillians know it is true. Hope can get old sometimes. When it is all you have ever been served, hope just doesn’t hit the same.

Hacker jokes that he and his co-workers know their way around a show rundown this time of year because this time of year never seems to end for the Jags.

“Draft talk for Jacksonville always starts around Thanksgiving, so we are already a month into draft talk before the playoffs even get here.”

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Your Only Focus Should Be On What You Can Control

“We can’t press a Staples easy button and automatically make the audience more active, the sales team more diligent, or the editors gather every piece of sound.”

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Behavior Gap

The crybaby Cowboys are at it again. After Dallas lost its Wild Card playoff game to the San Francisco 49ers 23-17 on Sunday, there was plenty of blame and finger pointing. Big D’s fingers weren’t pointed at themselves and their ugly run defense, shaky quarterback play, and inability to avoid committing stupid penalties, right?

No no, it’s far easier to just blame the officials. Let’s shine a light on those guys instead!

The controversy occurred at the very end of the game. As the Cowboys trailed by six points with 14 seconds remaining, quarterback Dak Prescott rushed up the middle of the field for 17 yards. As Chris Berman would say, “Tick, tick tick tick tick.” Precious seconds were ticking away as umpire Ramon George rushed over to spot the football. Once Prescott spiked the ball to stop the clock, the final seconds had ticked away and the Cowboys lost the game.

Prescott said in his postgame press conference that the official “needs to be closer to the ball” to spot it more quickly, and the result of that not happening was “tough to accept.” When asked about fans throwing beer bottles and trash at the officiating crew, Prescott said, “Credit to them then. Credit to them.”

Wow, dude. Really? Hooray for assault? Cowboys head coach Mike McCarthy chimed in by saying, “We shouldn’t have had any problem getting the ball spotted there.”

This might be news to the Cowboys, but not every NFL official is going to have blazing speed mixed with the agility of a ballet dancer. The offense needs to allow enough time just in case the umpire doesn’t resemble a Cirque du Soleil performer. The Cowboys failed to do that.

The Cowboys also made a huge mistake in the final two minutes. Defensive end Randy Gregory drew a defensive holding penalty for bear hugging and tackling a 49ers offensive lineman. That stupid penalty directly impacted the limited time the Cowboys had at the end of the game. Prescott also had an awful 69.3 passer rating. For context, Dak’s 69.3 passer rating against the Niners was actually lower than the abysmal 69.7 passer rating New York Jets rookie quarterback Zach Wilson produced this season. Yuck.

But it’s someone else’s fault. Right, Cowboys? That’s what losers do; they point the finger at others.

For the Cowboys to make the loss about the officials is flat-out embarrassing. They spent more time whining about things they can’t control (officiating) compared to what they can control (their own performance).

The same thing happens in sports radio. A lot. Many people in the industry are consumed by what they can’t control rather than what they can. Several hosts focus on the time slot they want or the job they think they should have. News flash: that isn’t controllable. It’s also easy to complain about a lack of advertisers or sponsors, why listener engagement isn’t better with more calls and tweets, or why some postgame sound is missing on the cut sheet.

“We don’t have the sound? How do we not have the sound? Everybody else has it. How are we missing the same sound that all of the other shows have?”

MacGyver it, dude. Find another way. Focus on what you can control instead of what you can’t. As Patriots head coach Bill Belichick says, “Do your job.”

The truth is that there are a lot of things in sports radio that workers want to control, might even think they should control, but don’t actually dictate. We can’t press a Staples easy button and automatically make the audience more active, the sales team more diligent, or the editors gather every piece of sound. But we can focus our attention on many things we do have control over.

Former NFL head coach Jon Gruden once gave some great advice. Before he was known for his emailing ways, Gruden hosted the successful QB camp series on ESPN. I’ll never forget an episode with former Miami Hurricanes quarterback Brad Kaaya. The QB told Gruden, “It’s tough when each week you’re thinking, ‘Man, if I don’t play well, if I don’t throw for this many yards, if we don’t win, my coach might not be here the very next week.’ It’s tough on me ‘cause you spend time around these coaches, you meet the families, meet the kids, coach [Al] Golden recruited me. You grow close to him.”

Gruden stopped Kaaya and said, “Make this note here; worry about what you can control. Don’t worry about the things you can’t control. Because if you do start worrying about things that are out of your control, you’re going to become a freakin’ basket case like me.”

I love this advice. It’s so easy to get off track by focusing our energy in the wrong areas. The funny thing is that our thoughts might start in a good place but lead to a bad outcome. Kaaya was worried about his coach’s job status and family. That’s reasonable, but by doing so it added unnecessary pressure to the situation and shifted the QB’s focus to things he can’t control. That isn’t a good result.

I think it’s smart to constantly be aware of whether something is helping or hurting your ability to perform.

A lot of people in the sports radio industry are competitive maniacs. That isn’t automatically a bad thing at all. Being super competitive can fuel a great work ethic and provide a valuable edge. However, it can evolve into a roadblock once you become a bitter, competitive maniac. That’s a different story. The bitter competitive maniac becomes jaded, frustrated, and hung up on what other people have. How is any of that helpful? It’s much better to stay focused on things that help you do a good job, not get in the way of it happening.

The Cowboys couldn’t control whether the official spotted the ball faster or not, but they could’ve allowed more time in case the umpire wasn’t Usain Bolt 2.0. They had plenty of control over surrendering fewer than 169 yards rushing to San Fran and Prescott having a much better day. But the crybaby Cowboys will whine and whine instead of being more accountable.

Don’t be like them. Instead of focusing on what you can’t control, take a closer look at what you actually can control.

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