Bonta Hill grew up a fan of San Francisco’s sports teams – albeit before the dominance of the Golden State Warriors and San Francisco Giants – and was always willing to talk about the teams at the drop of a hat. Reading about sports from the local newspapers was representative of an escape for Hill, as he grew up in an unstable home and in a high crime area. At the age of 10, he was placed into foster care and struggled to balance maintaining financial stability with his academic performance.
Nearly 15 years later, Hill was working as a supervisor at United Parcel Service (UPS), but was let go by the company for what he referred to as minor errors. Shortly thereafter, he began working at a local Peet’s Coffee to pay his bills, but continued to watch sports from afar. Recognizing his love and passion for the local teams, a friend of his suggested he try to go back to school to pursue a career in sports journalism.
“I went back to school at the age of 26, walked into the journalism department and asked the department chair at the time, Juan Gonzales, ‘Hey man, I like to write; I’d like to try to be a sports writer,’” Hill recollected. “I did a story for him. A few months later, I won this award at the Journalism Association of Community Colleges, and he offered me the sports editor position the next semester.”
From his early days at the City College of San Francisco writing and editing sports stories for The Guardian, Hill possessed a determination to try to differentiate himself from his competition by taking advantage of any opportunities that would help him diversify and/or sharpen his skills, along with networking with those across sports and media.
He transferred to San Francisco State University in 2011 to obtain his bachelor’s degree in broadcast journalism and continued his public address announcing duties at the City College of San Francisco. Furthermore, he continued his writing by starting as a correspondent for the San Francisco Examiner in February 2011, covering sports on deadline at the college and professional level. Once he completed his stint as a public address announcer in early 2013, he worked simultaneously in a similar writing role with the San Francisco Chronicle, trying to continue to garner as much experience as possible in media.
While Hill thought he was going to be a writer from the time he entered school, making the move to San Francisco State University gave him his first exposure to working in sports talk radio – and he found to prefer the medium because of his nascent ability to discuss sports. In May 2013, Hill began working as an intern for SportsPhone 680 at KNBR where he operated radio consoles, wrote broadcast copy and screened phone calls from listeners. Aside from refining his interpersonal communication skills, he also grasped another valuable lesson applicable to all areas of sports media and something that would prove to be valuable years later.
“I learned what not to do in sports – and that’s burn bridges,” said Hill. “I thought that was very, very important. I saw a lot of people burn bridges; I saw a lot of people quit. There was a lot of turnover obviously. Some people were unhappy with the money they were making [or] the role they had. I just learned not to burn bridges, and learned to be patient [as well].”
Hill was hired in a full-time role after completing his internship, continuing to work behind the scenes; however, he ultimately knew that his place was behind the microphone in the main studio. To achieve this goal and prove himself in one of the top markets in the United States though, he needed to mature his “raw” talent and prove himself in other areas. He always knew that he would succeed in his hometown if he remained focused on his ultimate goal, which is why he was offended when he was told that he would need to follow an industry archetype by a colleague.
During graveyard shifts in which Hill would engineer San Francisco Giants games, Hill envisioned himself talking sports to an audience on the air despite the station having its lineup set. One morning at the end of a shift, he spoke to a former producer for NBC Sports Bay Area, and suggested that it was almost his time to receive a chance to be on the airwaves.
“He said, ‘Bro, you really think you’re going to be able to get a job in this market? You’re going to have to go to Bakersfield; you’re going to have to go to Eureka.’ And I went off on him,” recalled Hill, “and I said, ‘I’m good enough to run with the big dogs. If I’m not good enough to make it here, then what the hell am I doing this for? I’m going to make it here.’”
Confident in his knowledge of the Bay Area’s sports teams while procuring a naïve yet calculated hubris, Hill began working with radio host and baseball historian Marty Lurie, who would host Weekends in the Park and Giants Post-Game Talk at the station. As Lurie began to see Hill’s potential as a radio host, he gradually gave him the opportunity to appear on-air during his shows and interact with callers.
“Marty would make me stay after my shift where I was making no money to take calls with him and do a show with him,” Hill remembered. “When I didn’t have work on the weekend, he was like, ‘Hey, come down to do a show with me. Let’s go.’”
Hill continued to hone his craft working with Lurie and the belief that he would be able to build a sustainable career in the Bay Area was becoming more lucid and less improbable in scope. Nonetheless, there are never any guarantees in media, and Hill knew that the feasibility of him succeeding in a market with fixated lineups was still quite implausible. He never stopped having confidence in himself and his abilities throughout this time though, resolute in his commitment to realize his ultimate aspiration.
“I didn’t know if something was going to open up – I had no idea what was going on – but I had the self-confidence that one day I would do it even though it wasn’t realistic in this market with the lineups being so set,” said Hill. “I had the belief, although it may have been delusional, [that] I would one day be on the air in the Bay Area.”
By the time 2016 came around, Hill’s profile had gained prestige in the industry and word of his talent was circulating among industry professionals. One day, legendary radio host and play-by-play announcer Greg Papa was listening to the Giants postgame show, and contacted Lurie to tell him that he liked Hill’s voice and to contact him. In short order, Hill met Papa one night in the press box at Oracle Park, home of the San Francisco Giants, and quickly grasped that he wanted him to join his show on KNBR’s competitor: 95.7 The Game.
“I had never met Papa; I just knew about him doing Raiders games [and] obviously doing Niners games,” said Hill. “He’s a legend – just untouchable. You don’t even think about working [with him] when you’re growing up in the business.”
Following his conversation with Greg Papa, then-program director Don Kollins hired Hill to join Papa on his midday show, replacing previous show co-host John Lund who had been hired by KNBR. It was surreal to Hill, who just months earlier was engineering shows and working overnight shifts, along with doing shows for no pay on the weekends to gain experience. Now a broadcast entity in one of the largest broadcast markets in the country had taken a chance on him at the request of one of their hosts, which put immense pressure on Hill to flourish.
“A lot of people thought I was going to shrink,” said Hill, “and some of that kind of spurred me to keep me motivated because a lot of people didn’t think that I would last.”
Papa’s midday show did not implement any callers into the programming, deviating from a more congenial, interactive style of radio he had experienced with Lurie at KNBR. Moreover, it was essential that Hill worked to establish a working chemistry between him and Papa and try to make the most of what he considers to be a lucky break.
“I did a bunch of studying because I knew Papa was going to be watching everything,” said Hill. “I watched everything anyway, but you had to watch it a bit differently knowing that you’re working with a guy like Greg Papa.”
Throughout each show, Papa and Hill would analyze the action of the previous day and talk about the upcoming games set to take place. As they approached three years on the air together though, Papa abruptly left the station to take the radio play-by-play job with the San Francisco 49ers. It was a move that surprised many, including Hill, and left his future with the station in jeopardy if not for station program director Matt Nahigan.
“Matt’s been everything, and I think he helped save the station at 95.7 The Game when we were kind of going through some low moments – and here we are now still ticking,” said Hill. “He’s given me an opportunity – he could have let me go after Papa left.”
An aspect of what makes Nahigan the “best boss” Hill has had in the radio industry is his perpetual ambition to generate favorable ratings and revenue for the station and those involved. Superior performance comes with establishing good habits in a productive work environment, and Nahigan does that by meeting with his employees on a weekly basis to discuss their strengths and shortcomings.
“Sometimes we need to be coached; we all fall into bad habits,” said Hill. “I don’t care how old you are or how long you’ve been in the game. There’s always somebody to be there to have constructive criticism, and Matt Nahigan [has] provided that.”
Nahigan moved Hill to work with Matt Steinmetz and Daryle Johnson to form a new midday show called Bonta, Steiny & Guru. While there was undoubtedly an adjustment period for Hill to familiarize himself with his colleagues and the show’s audience, he felt comfortable in the direction and format of the show. Being able to take calls from listeners again was something always indicative of sports radio to him that had been missing for the time he had worked with Papa, and he was elated to once again foster that unique connection.
“I loved working with Greg Papa, but I did miss taking phone calls from the audience because that’s sports talk radio – hearing from crazy fans,” Hill stated. “They’re going to say some wild things; they’re going to say some great things. That’s sports talk radio.”
To Hill, the style of conversation between him and his co-hosts was more laid back and easygoing, but the show quickly culminated nearly a year after its launch when Joe Fortenbaugh left the station to pursue a new opportunity with ESPN in Las Vegas. As a result, the station revamped its lineup to appeal to the listening audience and to compete with KNBR, especially in the mornings with the longstanding duo Murph & Mac.
Once the opportunity came up, Hill wanted to host in the morning daypart, and Nahigan gave him the opportunity to do so with Joe Shasky and Kate Scott (who departed the show after the first year) on their new program The Morning Roast with Bonta & Shasky. For nearly the last two years, the two Bay Area natives have talked sports each morning on 95.7 The Game, having the first chance to react to the prior night’s action on the air.
“Morning shows set the tone for the station every single day,” remarked Hill. “That’s something that I think we both take pride in. You can be a little lighter – people want to laugh in the morning. They don’t want to get hit with all the X’s and O’s…. You can do a little bit of that, but you have to remind yourself that people are just waking up.”
Hill enjoys being able to determine the direction of the show with his co-host, a sense of ownership that he had never felt during his radio career up until that point. While he does not seek to be domineering in his authority, having a share of the final say on key facets of the show has augmented his impetus to produce the most entertaining show possible. This year, the show has seen success in its ratings, becoming the first morning program to win the winter book in the history of the station, along with topping KNBR’s Murph & Mac in the month of May.
“It’s been a lot of fun and for the first time to be honest with you, I feel like it’s my show,” said Hill. “….I didn’t think I’d do morning drive; I didn’t think I was capable of waking up every single day [to get] to the studio, and it’s been a grind at times. It’s been a great adjustment. Yes, it’s different – but it’s been a lot of fun and it’s been life-changing.”
Not all radio personalities decide to try to find a role on television, no less perform it at the same time. Yet there is a growing number of personalities seeking to establish themselves on multiple platforms, and Hill, with his ambition and determination to succeed, sought after an opportunity – one that ironically involved his former co-host Greg Papa.
Aside from working at KNBR as the 49ers’ radio play-by-play announcer and co-host of a midday show with John Lund, Papa had also been working on television with NBC Sports Bay Area to host Warriors Pre/Postgame Live for the last several years. In the fourth quarter of 2020, the network decided to change up the talent by moving Papa back to Giants Pre/Postgame Live, a show he had previously hosted from 2010 to 2016. Subsequently, Hill was named as the new host of Warriors Pre/Postgame Live, his first television role. Being seen has only enhanced the standing of his radio show, and it is a multi-platform presence he seeks to maintain as the years go on.
“Now that I’m on TV and they see me at night [and] they wake up with me in the morning, it’s been huge for our station; I think it’s been huge for our show; and I think it’s been huge for NBC as well kind of cross-promoting,” said Hill. “….I had to do multiple things. I get antsy if I’m just doing one thing and I get bored and what-not.”
In this role, Hill’s notoriety among sports fans in the Bay Area has elevated, and his profile among media personalities is trending in the same direction. From covering a championship team this season on multiple platforms, he has learned to balance coverage of the franchise with other sports, such as football and baseball.
“The priority was simple – Warriors in the playoffs; four championships in eight years,” Hill reflected. “The Giants will get a mention, but we’re not the flagship for them, [and] the A’s have just been an afterthought in this market. It’s unfortunate. We carried the A’s, we tried to talk about them, but there’s a business side to everything.”
His presence around the team and in the arena is something that some sports radio hosts neglect because they are either unable or unwilling to be present at sporting events. Being seen has helped move his career in the right direction, and as a result, he always seeks to make time to interact with players, team personnel and fans of the show – whether that be in-person or by another means of dissemination.
“I’ve definitely entered a different stratosphere in my career, a stratosphere that I never thought was possible,” said Hill. “I kind of keep that same perspective though that at the end of the day, I’m still the same dude as when I first picked up a pen and wrote for the City College of San Francisco as I am today, and I try to keep that same perspective on my life and this career. It could be over tomorrow, so treat people with respect and just be gracious.”
Hill’s media career has risen expeditiously since his early days working to be a team beat reporter thanks to his adaptability to try new things and yearning to succeed. Simply by remaining a fan in the sense that he continues to interact with his audience and attend sporting events as a radio host, Hill has established himself as a bonafide professional with the conviction to constantly improve and attain unrealized heights in the industry. After all, the reason he went back to school in the first place was to attempt to earn a college degree, but doing so ultimately gave him much more than that, stimulating his journey to work in sports media. Anything else for him is, as he puts it, “icing on the cake.”
“It’s an overused cliché, but we really work a kid’s job,” said Hill. “This is the toy department of life. If I wasn’t working in sports, I’d be watching it anyway.”
Derek Futterman is a features reporter for Barrett Sports Media. In addition, Derek serves as a production manager, broadcaster, voiceover artist, technical director, audiovisual editor, and media engineer for Hofstra University’s WRHU. He has also worked on New York Islanders radio broadcasts. To get in touch, find him on Twitter @DerekFutterman.
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Evan Roberts, Self-Professed Sports Maniac, Thrives at WFAN
From an early age, Roberts knew that radio was the medium through which he wanted to express his fandom, especially WFAN.
Evan Roberts made his first appearance on WFAN at just 10 years old, filling in for NBA play-by-play announcer Mike Breen delivering sports updates on Imus in the Morning. The opportunity came after he sent a letter on a whim to the station asking for a job since he enjoyed listening to the station with his father. Desiring to become a radio host was the result of dynamic career aspirations that transitioned from wanting to work as an architect to trying to become the play-by-play announcer for his favorite baseball team, the New York Mets.
“Listening to Mike and Chris, and Benigno in the overnights and Somers – I was like ‘That’s what I want to do’,” Roberts recalled. “….It couldn’t be any more specific when I’m listening to the Fan saying ‘I want to be on the Fan.’ About a decade and a half later, I was able to get it done and I’ve been there ever since.”
From an early age, Roberts knew that radio was the medium through which he wanted to express his fandom, especially WFAN. As a native New Yorker, Roberts connected with the teams in the area and sought the chance to talk about them for a living on a sports radio station with a storied history in the area.
Since 1989, WFAN has been one of the pillars of New York sports coverage and a place that helped pioneer the sports talk radio format. Getting there, though, required that Roberts had deft knowledge of sports, an ability to connect with fans, and experience that ensured he was ready for an opportunity in the number one media market in the world.
While attending school, Roberts was hosting a radio show called Kidsports on WGBB, a radio station based in Freeport, N.Y. serving Nassau County on Long Island. He then moved to Radio AAHS to host What’s Up With Evan Roberts and Nets Slammin’ Planet, the latter with famed high school basketball player Albert King and NBA insider Brandon “Scoop B” Robinson. Aside from being able to refine his hosting skills, Roberts made valuable connections in these roles including one that would help him land his first job out of high school: Danny Turner.
Before he was named the senior vice president of programming operations at XM Satellite Radio in Washington, D.C., Turner served as the engineer for Roberts’ shows on Radio AAHS. He helped to coordinate the technology associated with broadcasting since the shows were done remotely rather than from out of a studio.
“[He] ended up working at XM Radio and heard one of my tapes as it went on and said ‘I remember him. I like him,’ and then sent it to the right person and they ultimately hired me,” said Roberts. “It was my first real, real job working out of high school, and that was about meeting someone earlier on and remembering who that person was and sending as many tapes as I could.”
As a graduate of Lawrence High School, Roberts quickly made the move from Cedarhurst, N.Y. to Washington, D.C. to begin working at XM Satellite Radio, a place he would stay for the next two years. Then, he made the move down I-295 from D.C. to Baltimore, Md. where he worked at 105.7 The Fan WJFK-AM and had to adjust his sports consumption to align with the interests of those listeners. It taught him the importance of research and preparation, important aspects of working in sports media that he still utilizes to this day.
“When I was in Baltimore, I had to be Baltimore,” said Roberts. “I had to understand what makes the Orioles fan tick; what makes the Ravens fan tick. I didn’t grow up as an Orioles fan or a Ravens fan. The Ravens had won the Super Bowl years earlier. I know nothing about winning Super Bowls; I’m a Jets fan.”
At 21 years old, Roberts made the move back to “The Big Apple” when he was hired by WFAN as an overnight host, a role he stayed in for the next two-and-a-half years. Simultaneously, Roberts was working on Maxim Radio doing a night show on the Sirius Satellite Radio channel. Balancing those two roles, while it may have seemed daunting, gave Roberts the chance to broadcast in his home market and talk about the teams he grew up rooting for; the aforementioned Mets and Jets, along with the then-New Jersey Nets and New York Islanders.
Then in 2007, Roberts got his big break when he was named the midday co-host with Joe Benigno on the program Benigno & Roberts in the Midday. Benigno, who got his start on WFAN as a regular caller, had grown a rapport with listeners since joining the station in 1995, making the task for Roberts, a 23-year-old at the time, more difficult in terms of fitting in. Roberts is grateful that Benigno, a host he grew up listening to on WFAN, was accommodating and amicable towards him – plus it helped that they aligned in their rooting interests as Mets and Jets fans.
“He was very welcoming, and he didn’t have to be because I was a lot younger; he had no idea who the hell I was,” said Roberts. “….Right out of the gate, I think he saw my passion [and] my knowledge; he saw a little bit of himself in me, and we were able to bond right away.”
To make a name for himself in the new midday time slot, Roberts stuck to the principles that had been given to him from his early days of radio; that is, to be himself. From the start of his foray into sports media, Roberts and most people around him knew that he was, in his own words, “a sports maniac”, and he needed to maintain that genuine identity on the air. His relatability and passion for the teams as a fan made him an ideal fit for the station synonymous with New York City bearing those iconic call letters and an unbeatable afternoon duo.
“I think as time [went] on and Joe and I developed even more and more chemistry, the audience knew who we were,” said Roberts. “They certainly knew who he was, but they learned ‘Evan’s a die-hard Mets fan. He doesn’t miss a game.’”
While it was important for Roberts to emulate his fandom for the teams he roots for, he quickly developed a cognizance for trying to talk about other teams impartially while on the air. It is a challenge, to a degree, to maintain objectivity daily with intrinsic fandom for certain teams, but being able to understand how other fan bases feel after monumental victories or crushing defeats renders the art of appealing to the listening audience easier. It also upholds WFAN’s commitment to serve as an outlet for all New York sports fans rather than just certain cohorts of them.
“We’re trying to appeal to everybody,” said Roberts. “We want everybody listening. Not just Yankees fans; not just Mets fans; not just die-hard sports fans; not just casual fans. How do you keep every single person wanting to listen to the radio?”
When Roberts first joined the station in 2004, most New York sports teams were rebuilding aside from the Yankees. Today, the preponderance of professional teams in the New York Metropolitan area are contending or at least have the chance to appear in their league’s playoffs, something that is exciting for fans like Roberts but presents a challenge in doing effective sports radio that accurately depicts the emotions of listeners.
“I think what’s going to be a real challenge… is [when] the Mets are in the playoffs, the Yankees are in the playoffs, the Jets look competent, and the Giants look competent, and it’s a Monday,” Roberts expressed. “You’ve got four monstrous fan bases that care about their team. How the hell do you find a way to keep them all entertained?”
To express the true extent of his fandom for niche sectors of the audience, Roberts turns to another form of aural consumption: podcasts. There has been much discussion over the ability of traditional radio and podcasts to coexist in this digital age of media; however, Roberts believes that the two mediums provide a unique combination that was previously nonexistent.
In his opinion, podcasts are a method to delve deeper into topics or teams that do not garner as much time on the radio, specifically those that do not generate as large of a market share or which are not as representative of the interests of the majority of listeners.
“I do a Mets podcast specifically – I called it Rico Brogna because I loved Rico Brogna as a kid and I figured ‘Why the hell not?’”, Roberts said. “…I do an hour breaking down the Mets in a hard-core way that I’m not going to do on WFAN for an hour. I may do it for a couple of minutes. I think those two things work perfectly side-by-side.”
Still, most listeners, according to Roberts, will likely turn to terrestrial radio to get their sports fix, especially if they do not express allegiance to solely one team.
“The majority of people are still going to turn on WFAN and say ‘Okay, entertain me. I don’t know what I want to hear. You just entertain me’,” said Roberts. “I think those two forms of entertainment can work side-by-side. That’s why we do it.”
When Mike Francesa signed off WFAN in December 2017, the station had to make changes in the afternoon drive-time slot which it did with the debut of Carlin, Maggie & Bart. The show was eventually disbanded though when Francesa ended his retirement just over four months later, returning to afternoons. His return to WFAN did not last long though, departing the station again in December 2019. Again, WFAN had to make a change in afternoons, this time moving Joe Benigno and Evan Roberts to do a 2 to 6:30 p.m. show renamed Joe & Evan.
For Roberts, the opportunity to host in the afternoon slot that he had grown up listening to Mike Francesa and Christopher “Mad Dog” Russo make famous with their program Mike and the Mad Dog was an opportunity he did not hesitate to accept. Yet the change in time also required a change in approach regarding topic selection; after all, since the show would be starting later in the day, it was more important to preview the forthcoming action than recap that of the previous day.
“Even though you’re doing the same thing because you’re the same person, you’ve got to realize the audience is thinking about things a little bit differently; they’re not always analyzing what happened last night,” said Roberts. “I always find that interesting [trying to] balance the two [and] it’s almost like a game.”
When Benigno retired from the station in November 2020, Craig Carton made his return to the New York City airwaves pairing with Roberts to form the new afternoon duo Carton & Roberts. Carton had previously been with the station hosting mornings with Boomer Esiason on Boomer and Carton from 2007 until his arrest in 2017. He served time in prison for fraud-related charges, and ultimately sought and received help for addiction related to gambling.
Since his return to WFAN, Carton has been vocal about his struggle to overcome addiction and the lessons learned from his time serving in prison, hosting a special weekend program titled Hello, My Name Is Craig to discuss these issues in-depth. On Carton and Roberts, the duo has experienced immense success, recently topping ESPN New York 98.7 FM’s The Michael Kay Show in the spring ratings book. From the onset of Carton and Roberts working together though, there was some trepidation as to whether their personalities would blend well together on sports talk radio.
“I remember the first time I was told ‘Hey, there’s a possibility of you and Craig together.’ I was like ‘What?,’” Roberts said. “My first reaction was ‘Really?’”
Now nearly two years in, Roberts enjoys working alongside Carton and learning more about his perspectives and thoughts on the radio industry. Following advice he was given from both Russo and Esiason on working with Carton, Roberts has let him take the lead and discover how the show can effectively inform and entertain its vast listening audience.
“Let’s take a step back; don’t have an ego,” Roberts recalls thinking when he started the new show. “Watch this magician figure out how this show is going to work and then lean into it. I think that’s what I did and it has worked, and I feel very comfortable, I know he feels very comfortable and we’ve got a successful thing going on now.”
Roberts views Carton as an informed talent in the radio industry, aware of the changing nature of the medium and the potential it has to serve its audience. Roberts indeed experienced success in his previous roles, most notably when working in middays with Benigno; however, he is always willing to try new things and form new approaches towards jaded industry practices and show formats.
“I know that I have a guy who I’m working with who knows the medium as well as anybody,” said Roberts. “If he has a vision on how this could work with his personality and my personality, I’m going to listen; I’m going to follow along.”
WFAN and SportsNet New York (SNY), the flagship network for the New York Mets and New York Jets, agreed last year to simulcast Carton and Roberts from 4 to 6 p.m. on weekdays. While the move, which has been made with various other WFAN programs over the years including Mike and the Mad Dog and Boomer and Gio puts the radio program on a visual medium, Roberts’ approach to the show did not change.
The thought always was that he would be doing a radio show with the curtain pulled back, giving longtime listeners the chance to see the two co-hosts during their discussions and on-air interactions.
“They’re listening to the radio, and it’s cool sometimes when you get to peek in and say, ‘Oh, look at Craig’s expressions. Look at Evan’s expressions. Look at the way they’re looking at each other. Boy, they hate each other right now,’” Roberts said. “I think it’s people looking in on a radio show, and that’s what I always try to remind myself. It’s on TV – that’s great – but we’re a radio show first, and I think a lot of people kind of like to eavesdrop on that.”
One of the challenges of doing a radio show whether or not it is simulcast is in taking calls, and various hosts and producers have differing opinions when it comes to their value on the air. Still, while the hosts, producers, and caller themselves may enjoy their interactions, it is fundamental awareness is placed on the audience that does not call in and their enjoyment of listening to a caller.
“I think when you’re talking [to] somebody, you’re not just thinking about the conversation you’re having with them,” said Roberts. “You’re thinking about the 98% of the audience that doesn’t call in and if this is entertaining or not; if this is informative or not; what are they getting out of this?…. I love callers – it’s a big part of WFAN – but as I interact with them… I think the thought that I always try to have is ‘How is everyone else listening feeling about this discussion?’”
While Carton and Roberts continues to do well in afternoon drive among the demographic of men 25-54 years old, the way the ratings are interpreted by each person and entity in radio differs. Something the Nielsen ratings do not take into account is the number of people listening to the show on-demand as a podcast or watching its simulcast on SNY. During his time with Benigno, Roberts scrutinized the numbers, looking at copious and exiguous details, similar to how he consumes professional sports.
The difference is that while it may be good to have a complete understanding of show performance, getting caught in the minutiae of ratings and trying to improve in weaker areas can sometimes be, according to Roberts, a means without an end.
“I think I realized as time went on that’s going to give you a headache and it’s not going to really help anything,” said Roberts. “I think I learned a little more that you still look at numbers but maybe with a broader view of things; not as specific. I look at [them] a lot, but sometimes it’s tough. I don’t think you want to alter a show too much based on what you think is a pattern but may not necessarily be a pattern.”
This fall, both Carton and Roberts will be starting new roles in media while continuing to host their afternoon show. Carton is going to begin hosting a new national morning show on Fox Sports 1 with a co-host yet to be determined, a move that will place him primarily on television in mornings against WFAN and CBS Sports Radio’s simulcast of Boomer & Gio. Roberts will continue to stay on WFAN, adding a new Saturday program with his former co-host Joe Benigno beginning on September 10.
“It’s like getting back on a bicycle,” Roberts said of working with Benigno. “It’s always comfortable…. It’s going to be [like] our old show – just once a week on a Saturday.”
WFAN was the sound of Evan Roberts’ childhood, and a large reason he became as invested in professional sports as he considers himself to be today. Throughout his time at the station, he has worked with various hosts and recently welcomed new program director Spike Eskin to the station. He says the contrast between Eskin and previous program director Mark Chernoff is stark – yet they are similar in where it matters most: being able to effectively lead WFAN.
“I think they both very much understand radio, and that’s the most important thing,” said Roberts. “You’re the program director of WFAN; I think you have an idea of what good radio is… [They are] both very, very intelligent radio guys that I trust, but everything else about them is probably polar opposite.”
For aspiring professionals looking to pursue a career in sports media, Roberts advises them to take advantage of the innovations in media and communications especially when it comes to podcasts. With widespread evolution and progression in technology coupled with altering consumption habits and means thereof, putting in the time allows novices to hone their skills and position themselves well in sports media. That and always being willing to learn and study to be the most prepared and informed host as possible – especially when talking to listeners, many of whom have seen teams in their ebbs and flows.
“My wife knows that I’m going to watch every pitch of the Yankees and Mets game,” said Roberts. “I may do it on DVR, and I may do it at 2 in the morning because we need to have a life; I don’t want to get divorced, and I want my kids to love me, but she also knows that I want to be as informed as anybody on the radio and that’s not going to stop.”
Derek Futterman is a features reporter for Barrett Sports Media. In addition, Derek serves as a production manager, broadcaster, voiceover artist, technical director, audiovisual editor, and media engineer for Hofstra University’s WRHU. He has also worked on New York Islanders radio broadcasts. To get in touch, find him on Twitter @DerekFutterman.
Jake Paul, Betr Pair Micro-Betting With Media
There are plenty of hurdles, though, that still need to be overcome before this takes over the betting landscape.
I’ll be completely honest: I can’t get into TikTok. I’m closing in on 40 years spent on this planet, and it’s simply not my thing. It’s not meant to be, though. The current generation is one with shorter attention spans, the kind that wants a quick highlight of a sporting event so they can shift their focus to something else. When I tell folks a decade younger than me stories about how I–and others of my age group–would sit around and watch an entire SportsCenter, they look at me like I’m crazy. Not sure how they’d look at me if I told them we used to often watch the rerun an hour later, but that’s another discussion.
It’s a big reason why micro-betting is considered the “next big thing” in sports betting. Similar to in-game betting, micro betting goes a step further and focuses on individual events within a sporting event, such as the outcome of a drive, whether a baseball player will get a hit in his upcoming at-bat, or even something such as a coin toss at the Super Bowl. A perfect example of micro-betting is the rise in popularity of betting on whether or not a run will be scored in the first inning of a baseball game. For a generation that wants a quick resolution to their bets, it makes total sense. You place a bet, you find out how it did, and then you move on–whether that’s to another bit of action or something else entirely.
Something else I can’t get into is the whole hoopla surrounding the Paul brothers. Logan and Jake Paul have built an empire for themselves on the back of YouTube, with Jake Paul having more than 70 million followers on social media. For various reasons, I’m not a fan of either individual. Again, though, they aren’t coming after my demographic. Like them or hate them, you have to respect their grind –and you have to admire their business acumen — as they parlay their notoriety and success into sports entertainment by way of boxing and the WWE, as well as a new sports drink company that has already partnered with Premier League side Arsenal.
Monday’s announcement by Jake Paul of a new micro-betting site simply furthers the narrative and does so in a manner that can’t be ignored by those in the sports betting space. Betr, a joint venture between Paul, sports betting entrepreneur Joey Levy, and the sports betting company Simplebet, was announced yesterday morning. Backed by a $50 million investment from multiple venture capital firms, the new company is backed by ownership groups of franchises such as the Boston Celtics and San Francisco 49ers, and also has financial backing from current and former NFL players including Dez Bryant, Ezekiel Elliott, and Richard Sherman. Musician Travis Scott has also put his financial backing behind the product.
The other very interesting tidbit from the press release was the announcement of a media company that would feature, among other shows, “BS w/ Jake Paul”. Their new YouTube channel, which already has over two million subscribers despite not a single video being posted as of Monday afternoon, will feature sports-betting content from Paul and other content creators and will focus on micro betting. In an interview with Axios, Levy said that consumers can “expect 10+ videos a day from emerging content creators we’ve brought into the company,” but that things would begin with a focus on “premium content natives, starting with Jake’s show.”
Sports radio and television have long been focused on making their products more appealing to younger generations. Just take a look at ESPN, where they’ve long been doing “SportsCenter” episodes on Snapchat. This could be a game-changer, provided they can help drive micro-betting into a wider market.
There is plenty of potential in the space, a big reason Paul was able to acquire such high amounts of funding. Just last year, JP Morgan estimated that more than $7 billion per year would be wagered on micro bets by the year 2025. And earlier this year, the CEO of Oddisum stated in an interview that micro-betting would account for the majority of wagers placed on sporting events within the next three years. Even DraftKings CEO Jason Robins has talked about plans on how his company expects to embrace the trend.
There are plenty of hurdles, though, that still need to be overcome before this takes over the betting landscape. The biggest one is the delivery of data. As we move more towards a society that streams sporting events and other digital content, the delay between real life and what shows up on your mobile phone can be the difference between placing a wager or not. For some services (I’m looking at you, Peacock) there’s often a delay of more than 90 seconds, which means the play I want to bet on is still two or three plays away from being seen with my own eyes. That makes it difficult to place a bet with any sort of confidence.
The other major obstacle will be getting their gambling service legalized. In their press release, Betr stated they will start as a “free-to-play” app in all 50 states, and eventually they will add real money gambling services as they become licensed to operate within individual states. That’s not going to be so simple, though, as gambling addiction concerns continue to rise and multiple state legislatures are already having discussions regarding the matter.
As addictive as betting on sporting events can be, micro-betting is often exponentially more. A study last year from CQ University in Sydney, Australia indicated that micro bettors are more likely to be younger players and that they usually “have high trait impulsivity”. An author of the report also stated, “there’s a very strong link between micro betting and gambling problems”, and pointed out that the short amount of time between placing a bet and having it resolved leaves little time to evaluate performance or track one’s bankroll.
Whether or not those things are overcome in every state possible is a discussion for another day. The fact is, micro-betting is more likely than not to become a huge growth market for sports betting companies over the next two to three years, and Paul and Levy have become the first big players to jump into the media space. It’s not a question of if, but when, others will follow them into the realm of micro betting sports content, but their announcement on Monday raises the stakes. It also reminds those of us in business, especially sports media, that while we may not fully understand the allure of what the younger generation enjoys, we ignore it at our peril.
Jason Ence resides in Louisville, KY and is fully invested in the sports betting space. Additionally, he covers Premier League and Serie A soccer, college football, and college basketball for ESPN Louisville 680 including serving as the station’s University of Kentucky correspondent, and co-host of the UK football and basketball post-game shows. He can be found on Twitter @JasonUK17 and reached by email at firstname.lastname@example.org.